Friday, July 17, 2009

Rough Draft

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People continue to build their research off the seriously out of date material once found here. Because this post was seriously dated research, I've deleted it. I do not want to mislead anyone. Current and best research is found in Separate Identity, Volume 1, which please see.

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

I am particularly interested in George Stetson, a brother Clowes, and J. T. Ongley. All of them are listed in the Advent Christian Times and World's Crisis as preaching in Pittsburgh/Allegheny in the early 1870's. Stetson and Clowes are mentioned in the Watchtower. It would be interesting to learn what association they had with Russell.

B. W. Schulz said...

please give me the specific reference in the Crisis or Times to Clowes. I'll see if I can find anything.

JimSpace said...

"At least by 1882 Paton was a member of the small Masonic lodge in Almont. ... Paton would separate from Russell in late 1881, starting his own magazine, The World’s Hope." That was fascinating. So the evidence indicates that after Paton seperated from Russell he joined the Masons, in addition to his own ministry.
Do we know who baptized Russell in 1874? Thank you.

B. W. Schulz said...

No, I don't know who baptized Russell.

Anonymous said...

I remember having read that it was probably Storrs who baptized Russell. It seems his understanding of the importance of consecration and baptism came from Storrs, so it sounds plausible, but I don't know if there is any more specific reasons or it is just speculation.

For Paton, I've always found puzzling that he didn't mentioned his time with Barbour and with Russell in his autobiography. Could it be that he felt embarrased regarding their dissappointments related to dates?
Sergio

B. W. Schulz said...

That Storrs baptized Russell is just a guess. Storrs put little emphasis on water baptism. He emphaized baptism of the spirit.

Anonymous said...

gertrude w seibert had alot to with russell writing many books but no information where she first came into the picture or did she stay with rutherford after russell death.she did write a poem at russell death. enjoyed your comments about true history and research

B. W. Schulz said...

G. W. Seibert enters the picture in 1899. She remained with The Watch Tower until about 1927.

Anonymous said...

1927 was that her death is there any picture of her anythere. thank you for your fast reply.

B. W. Schulz said...

Gertrude W. Seibert was born in 1865. She died in Dade County, Florida, in 1928. She maintained connections with both The Watch Tower Society and with Bible Student groups. She supported Rutherford in 1918.

Ianos Takacs said...

George Storrs baptized the Russell family in the summer of 1874.

Sha'el, Princess of Pixies said...

There is no evidence that Storrs baptized the Russells. That is mere speculation. It's also wrong.

Storrs did not see water baptism as important. He wrote against it. Stetson, on the other hand, saw water baptism as vitally important.

There are three good candidates for personage who baptized the Russells. Storrs is not one of them.

While we're glad you read our blog, posting unfounded speculation as fact detracts from our efforts to document the real history.

Anonymous said...

I am researching Whight and Mann. The Partner was Aldridge Mann, the company and families appear to be from around the Ipswich, Suffolk and north Essex area. I have found no connection to Liverpool. Just wondering what you have that connects Whight and Mann to Liverpool.

B. W. Schulz said...

This is dated research we no longer support. The comment about Whight and Mann came from a search result on google books.

In the current biography of W. I. Mann we give a generalized "England". Ipswich is a correct conclusion.