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Notate la confusione - Dal giornale St. Louis, Missouri, Christian-Evangelist, 23 novembre 1899
“ A quale denominazione religiosa la Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, di Allegheny, Pa., appartiene? Lo stesso gruppo ha pubblicato anche l’Aurora del Millennio. - Articolo di R. R. Hamlin."
"Abbiamo ricevuto comunicazione da W. J. Lhamon, Pastore della chiesa di Allegheny, Pa., che coloro che pubblicano l’Alba del Millennio e costituiscono la Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, non affermano di essere avventisti, e che non appartengono ad alcuna denominazione religiosa. Secondo quanto essi affermano nell’Alba del Millennio sono pre-millenaristi. Ma il fratello Lhamon pensa che la posizione dottrinale del sig. Russell, che è alla guida del movimento, si allinea abbastanza con gli avventisti.”
Perché confusione? Se non ci fosse stato Miller e la grande delusione del 1844, Russell non avrebbe partecipato agli studi degli avventisti e non avrebbe creato nulla...
Con i primi avventisti c'erano più cose in comune che con qualsiasi altra denominazione, compresa la spasmodica fissazione per le date della fine.
Gentile anonimo, Russell non deve nulla né a Miller né agli avventisti. Russell rifiutò sempre qualsiasi accostamento con gli avventisti. Le origini vanno cercate nel millenarismo, non nel millerismo.
Nel 1870, all'età di diciotto anni, Charles Taze Russell frequentò un gruppo di studio avventista del ministro Jonas Wendell, della Chiesa cristiana avventista.Una predica dell'avventista Jonas Wendell, un ministro della Chiesa cristiana avventista, aiutò Charles Taze Russell a superare una crisi spirituale, ristabilendo in lui la fede nell'ispirazione divina della Bibbia.Charles Taze Russell poi collaborò con l'avventista Nelson H. Barbour, direttore della rivista Herald of the Morning della Chiesa cristiana avventista di Rochester e, insieme a George Storrs (anch'egli membro della Chiesa cristiana avventista), finanziò la rivista in qualità di condirettore per via di alcune comunanze di vedute religiose. Per qualche tempo condivise, almeno in parte, alcune affermazioni di Nelson Barbour, un membro della Chiesa cristiana avventista di George Storrs, sul ritorno di Cristo. C.T. Russell collaborò con Barbour al giornale di quest'ultimo: lHerald of the Morning ("l'Araldo del mattino"); è in queste pagine che si preannunciava la fine del mondo, o più precisamente il rapimento in cielo degli eletti, proiettandola nell'anno 1878. Nel 1878 Russell troncò i rapporti con Barbour.
Ripeto se non avesse conosciuto Wendell Storss e Barbour avrebbe fondato la watch tower e tutto quello che ne derivò?
Ricordiamoci che all'inizio gli avventisti erano antitrinitari, condizionalisti, millenaristi, ovvero le tre dottrine fondamentali degli studenti biblici di allora e dei testimoni di Geova poi.
Anon,Sir:
Your post is shallow, uninformed and insulting. Normally, I would simply delete your comment, but instead I will allow it and reply.
Jonas Wendell was an Adventist. However, Russell said that he adopted none of Wendell's doctrine. Apparently you've never read what Russell actually wrote, or you didn't believe it.
Storrs left the Adventists in 1844. Storrs says that in several places. Did you ever bother to read what Storrs wrote? I think not. By the time the Russells met him he was an age-to-come believer rejecting Adventist doctrine and advocating age to come - literalist views. The issues of Storrs' Bible Examiner are not impossible to find. Did you read them?
Barbour had been an Adventist. Both Russell and Barbour say that by the time Russell met him he no longer was one. Barbour left Adventism for the Church of the Blessed hope. Did you read the early issues of Zion's Watch Tower? They ARE available online, scanned, and as searchable pdf documents. Apparently you did not read them, or you have reading comprehension problems.
All of the documentation for this is in Separate Identity volume 1.
We like blog comments. I would like to see more of them. But I do not want to see uninformed nonsense. Do you think we're so ignorant that we would make claims without support from original documents? Apparently you do.
This discussion is CLOSED. You may not bring long disproved nonsense to our blog.
I should add that the 7th Day Adventist church and the Advent Christian Church are not the same. They are separate denominations. Wendell, Storrs and Barbour were NEVER Seventh-day Adventists. To suggest they are the same reflects ignorance that is nearly beyond belief.
I never mentioned the 7 day adventist in my comment but the Advent Christian Church.
All the adventist Church was born after the great illusion of Miller.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Storrs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_T._Walsh_(Adventist)
Relying on Wikipedia in place of original research is silly. I wouldn't allow it from one of my students and neither would Dr. Schulz. We do not allow it here. Make your point from original source. Oh, ... I forgot ... you can't.
Read this, and stop posting nonsense from Wikipedia to our blog;
http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2018/09/storrs.html
People leave churches that disappoint them. Yes, Advent Churches derive from Miller. Only two survive today. Storrs was disappointed and left them. When Russell met them he was teaching Age to Come/Literalist belief. DO you know what that is?
Barbour left the Adventists. Did you find where Russell said that? Did you look?
RE: Storrs, read THIS
http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2018/09/storrs.html
Walsh and Storrs
The idea that the wicked dead would not be resurrected for a final judgment is uniformly attributed to John T. Walsh. He is sometimes credited with starting with Storrs the Life and Advent Union. It is somewhat tiring to point out the obvious errors of other writers, and we would rather have ignored them. That some take them seriously impels us to address them. A particularly egregious error concerning Storrs’ association with Walsh is found in Historical Dictionary of Jehovah’s Witnesses. (Page 6.) It’s certainly not the only error found in that book, but it’s the one we’ll notice in this context. George Chryssides writes: “The Advent Christian Church emerged from the Life and Advent Union created by John T. Wash and George Storrs in 1863.” This is utter nonsense and represents a level of scholarship unworthy of a publication that seeks to be taken seriously. Most Advent Christians rejected the non-resurrection of the dead doctrine. They detested it. They did not form out of the Life and Advent Union but out of John Cummings’ 1854 prediction. We do not apply to many books the Latin rule falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus. But we do here. There are so many errors in Chryssides’ work that we see consulting it as a waste of time.
Walsh had nothing whatsoever to do with the formation of the Life and Advent Union. He was assistant editor of the Bible Examiner from 1847 until October 1849. A brief announcement signed by him was inserted in the November issue saying: “I have … deemed it best to withdraw my connection, and in doing so, I desire to bid a kind farewell to all its readers.” He declined to give his reasons. He eventually advocated “a system of immaterialism which no Adventist would accept, claiming that the spirits of the wicked were alive in Sheol Hades and would at the day of judgment be sentenced and be cast without bodies into the lake of fire and suffer eternal punishment meaning eternal misery.”
The idea that he originated the belief that the wicked dead would not be resurrected traces back at least to Isaac Wellcome. Walsh, who though often described as an Adventist was not one, did accept that doctrine, writing articles on the subject for the Bible Examiner. The first was published in January 1850. Storrs quickly discontinued the series, calling the doctrine Pharisaical. It is a mistake to attribute the introduction of this doctrine to Walsh. As we have already noted, it was first introduced to Examiner readers by John Thomas. In time Storrs accepted the doctrine. Opposition from Adventists and others led to the formation of a separate association.
Life and Advent Union
In 1863 Storrs and his associates formed the Life and Advent Union to promote the teaching that the wicked dead would not be resurrected. Storrs was elected president and the editor of a new journal, The Herald of Life and the Coming Kingdom. We do not know if this intentionally echoed the title of Elias Smith’s Herald of Life and Immortality, though we strongly suspect it did. Rufus Wendell (Jonas Wendell’s nephew), Simon W. Bishop, Joseph T. Currey and W. S. Campbell were appointed assistant editors. It drew interest from Age-to-Come believers and Adventists. R. V. Lyon, a noted though erratic Age-to-Come advocate, preached the doctrine extensively.
Animosity flowed from Second Adventists, including those associated with the Seventh-day sect, and some congregations voted to exclude Life and Advent speakers. In 1864, the Advent Christian Association voted to exclude Life and Advent adherents from membership. However, by the mid-1870s, LaAU speakers participated in the Advent Christian ministry and spoke at their conferences. Talk of unity with the Advent Christian Church started sometime in the 1920s but would not come to fruition until only four Life and Advent congregations remained.
Storrs left the L@AU in 1869-70 because he advocated Literalist belief, something he had done since 1844.
Caro anonimo, invece di credere a quello che leggi su wikipedia dovresti leggere gli originali, le dichiarazioni fatte dai protagonisti. Che Russell sia stato influenzato dagli avventisti è una leggenda metropolitana. Tra l'altro se sei un Testimone di Geova non troverai mai tale informazione. Non sostenere un punto di vista solo perché tu ci credi se non hai le prove per dimostrarlo.
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